Do they care about those that help build them? (I wasn't going to post this, but thanks to Li Evans first step , and the support of others - the die is cast) I took a day away from the world of social to spend some long needed time with my family. It seemed some retrospective evaluation was needed, emotionally and financially. In the end analysis there is every reason to wonder why I play in Social Media at all (and I mean media not networking)? A few things are for certain;
- I dont actually care for power user popularity (only real peeps liking me)
- I have never made a dime for my efforts - so no financial gain
- The management of these websites are less than appreciative (this is the big one)
In my musings and ranting over the last couple days, more than a few folks told me that these websites had put me on the map or something along those lines. While some of you may think this is something to behold, it means absolutely nothing to me. I would far rather have a close circle of friends and like-minded individuals than mindless drones sending me stuff to Stumble, Mixx, Sphinn or Digg. Furthermore, the traffic is all but negligent as well considering I have NEVER received a new client from my blog nor any type of financial benefit. The advertising on my blog is FREE and I merely promote friends offerings because they are my friends (or peeps worthy of promoting). So this is a non-profit blogging experience to be sure.
The Dawn of a New Age for this GypsyAnd so I must re-think how and why I am doing it and maybe you should as well. One thing that really seems interesting is that outside of Mixx giving away some schwag a while back, none of these websites seem to feel the need to thank ANYONE for their hard efforts in building the sites into what they are. I did take the time to ask some top users on various sites (Digg, Stumble, Sphinn etc..), no one has been thanked that I could find. This is the ultimate user-generated content cash grab and I am amazed at the gall of these peeps to rake it in without even acknowledging the user base. Kind of funny that the latest offering in the Social Search world; Scour the social search engine will actually PAY users of the system
. Kudos to them. Obviously I wouldnt go as far as to think that locales such as Digg or Sphinn would actually PAY us, but reaching out to say thanks might have been an idea somewhere along the line. Take Sphinn, I have put in more content than ANYONE but the mighty Maki, filed more Spam reports than articles sphunn many times of late and had many discussions. The question remains, why? Do I matter? Do you? In my musings I went to my social networks to see what others felt (see this Plurk). Of the comments, the one from Barry really made it clearer when he quipped;
U can give it up for a while and see how u do Barry Schwartz How I do? This is where it gets screwy
Once more, what has it done for me ultimately? I highlighted the financial and ego bumps that it created (trust me, my ego needs no feeding ask the missus)
. Both of which are negligible. Does Barry think I am addicted and that there are withdrawals in my future? Will I need a support group? Also unlikely.... Barry, what is it you feel social media has done for me? I live a sheltered, meager existance (you're free to come by to verify) Time for a changeAlas, I feel it may be time to move along and do some other things with my life. From now on, more personal interactions and less content regurgitation. For those that care here is what my new social/posting life will look like, please feel free to join me; Blogging; The Trail obviously I will be posting here. Collective thoughts my new home for talking social goodiness Site Reference I will be posting SEO fundamentals over here more often Guest Blogging I have more time for this, get in touch to have me visit your blog. I write because it's cathartic and passing on the wisdom is the greatest part of any art. Networking; Plurk we all know my madness here Twitter I will certainly be more active here. FriendFeed will post stories I find interesting for discussions (see my FF rooms). WebWorkshop as some great peeps hang there Site Reference a forum I have been at for a few years (always loved me right) Email/Instant Messenger get in touch to be on my preferred peeps list I am all about the social networking now as I know what that gives me.... I feel the love. Social Media/Bookmarking Sphinn taking a break, given too much already Digg never was big user, dont send me shouts please Stumble now and again, don't bother sending alerts (they hate SEO types anyway) Mixx since they have shown users love, I might be there. Scour I might even take a second look here since they value users (join me). ... and NOTHING else social media related unless I feel management is caring. Let the spammers and marketers have them - I am a user not a dealer! Thanks for the memoriesI want to thank all the fine folks that have supported me on sites such as Sphinn and Stumble and elsewhere as your kind words have been the fuel that drove me onwards (I know ya'll care). Unfortunately I feel an personal dilemma in supporting social media in a world where the management of such locales seem unappreciative to those that have a major role in the building process. When a website is built with user generated content, showing some love to the users generating the content, might be a good idea now and again. With all the work I have done in qualitative market research of late, I began to wonder; you would think that these social sites would take a page from those companies trying to utilize the sites and TALK to the influencers more often to try and make a better product and address those whom have made them what they are. I know Digg does try to reach once in a while
but what of the others? Do you the end user feel important? I also ask each of you to look long and hard in the mirror and ask what you truly get from your interactions. Is social media adding quality to your life? Or merely lining the pockets of those whom operate the sites? Does your ego need stroking? Why do you do it? I am also interested in hearing from anyone who has had management thank them for their efforts on any social media site
. I have found little in my research to suggest it has happened. For me, I'd rather donate my time to a charitable cause at this point, because they'd appreciate it ;0) Daves Notes; those close to me know the genesis for this change and can appreciate my feelings
to you I would also say; thanks for putting up with my recent rants. Your comforting words took this post from the garbage bin to here on my blog. Not sure if it will help anyone, but on the oft chance it might... I give to your collective wisdom and have posted this. "The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." -- Friedrich Nietzsche See you all on the trails
. remember I am a family man peeps - that is what it's about for me. And I leave you with a recent rant from Mel; How not to use social media fun read to be sure.
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Comments
I SAID social media... not social networking?
Social networking is about peeps chatting and thats great, and those that appreciate you often say so... and follow you because they enjoy you.... so I get plenty of reciprocation.
It is only you that can make me seem like I am cool or anything else... I just hang out and talk it up... don't like it? Don't follow. I am not interested in being cool (I also mentioned that)
One thing I AM known for is actually being social beyond the land of the 'cool kids' whom are the untouchables... I am a very good guy - we obviously don't know each other....
If I missed a comment you made, sorry but that's how it goes in Plurk at times as the timeline whizzes by.....
Next time please read the entire post before passing judgement... OK? Because you certainly missed my point.
I stand by my words and think those feeding these sites into a void are not getting the big picture.... give them a few more years of it and we shall see....
As far as these sites "putting you on the map" I think people probably have it reversed. Even without these sites, you'd have made a name for yourself, of that I have no doubt. The question then is, without people like you and Maki, where would sites like Sphinn be now?
Dave is probably the most accessible and social high profile blogger in our industry. I don't know anyone who reaches out to newbies as much as Dave aside from Kimberley Bock.
Plurk is an extremely crowded interface. Furthermore, people like Dave have hundreds of friends. If you're going to follow them you have to realise they receive a lot of noise. If you hold something against every person who fails to respond to your Plurk discussions you probably won't have many friends left. I'd probably have 5
Thus while you may not have directly gained from social media, the exposure plus the transparency (you are honest and sincere online) and density (your presence online is more or less continuous) have probably led to gigs you would not have had and connections who would not have sought you out.
Just my two cents.
Unfortunately it's a negative on all accounts. The only gig I got from blogging is...well... more blogging (Collective Thoughts, Site Reference). None of which are paid positions. Beyond that pretty much nada.
That's why I enjoy social networking; the people I get to chat with. If I was in SMM there would likely be reasons for me to be more active in social media, this as well, is not the case. I am in SEO and don't like the thought of gaming SM for links... kind of why they don't like us much as it is.
People really seem to think visibility is some grand goal when ultimately the interactions and feelings of mutual respect carry more weight to me.
There is certainly more to this story, I merely voiced what I felt fair in a public setting. There is nothing worse than whiney MFs and personal attacks IMO... I merely expressed some emotions in my own cathartic way and some friends felt it worthy of posting, thus I did.
In the end, I am old and grumpy... I have to answer to my own feelings and this is how I am feeling this week.
Since you come from it as an SEO, there is less to benefit from. But my blog and social media marketing helped me land my current nicest gig writing for an MMORPG, as well as guest blogging gigs that I get paid per post or ad revenue from. And that is with crappy traffic and PR because I just launched this site recently.
Regardless, I am glad to see you will be sticking around on Plurk and such, as that is where I came to know you.
When I taught martial arts I didn't charge; all I asked was a commitment to the art and the promise to pass on what they learned.... that is how masters brought it to me... In some strange way I like to think I can do that with SEO.
I felt a need to conform possibly and maybe that wasn't who I am... not sure how I ended up caring so much... but there is simply more to life than an avatar and user stats.
I just want to hang out... forget the drama.... I could go away for a year and the same ol shit would still be happening... bah humbug I say... ha haha ha....sigh... :Pinch:
It is quite possible under the veil of this social candy that the rich continue to get richer and the rest... well.. status quo.
Even at that, do the sheep ever question the shepherds? I simply have taken a step back for my own sanity.
We truly respect your decision and hope the best in all your on and offline endeavors! Thanks for everything that you have done at the various SM sites that you have played a big role on! It is a shame that we will not be seeing you in all the old sites but I will be for sure following you here and where ever you are found.
I am really more curious about this topic as a whole - I am far more a user than anything. From my days of being on forums (where mods/admins/owners thank you) and having many thousands of posts. Compare that from what I feel from social media, and it's far different.
Social networking is just more my bag ultimately...
I decided to pull out of Sphinn a while back and have become gradually more inactive over there, now tending to only Sphinn stuff through the original source if it has a sphinn button. I just seemed to get the feeling there was an air of almost contempt (maybe a little harsh) from the admin there towards anybody that wasn't considered to be in the top echelons of the SEM industry.
So I raise my glass to you sir, and I'll see you over on Plurk (when I find the the time to pay one of my shockingly irregular visits to those halls)
@ Nic, I have had many peeps email me on a variety of things with the mods there and once more, if they reached out, I could have told them much about people's feelings there. Slowly most of the regulars have droppped off and that will likely continue - I really wish things had been different as I REALLY did have a passion for the place (witness my round-ups, Plurk and FriendFeed groups and more).
Ce la vie, monsiuer.... we still have Paris .....
You can expect me to be Plurking away with a side of Twitter..... so hapy times still brother!!! :silly:
I'd only wish that we could hang out in person cause I got a feeling your more entertaining than on this interweb. Maybe we'll meet up in Zhongguo some time. :silly:
Keep on plurkin'
I keep hearing those voices upon high murmering; "Let them eat cake"
..and I am truly looking to create more value in my interactions.. and get value back in return - the party shall continue...
As you might imagine, I'd LOVE to play down your way... feels like a second home for me as I have a strong background in al things Asian... sigh... maybe some day
See you on the flipside bro.
And those peeps have shown gratitude... it's a big love in. No love, no fun. Social media is big business for some, just not me. I am all about the love baby... that's what fuels me...
Networking is where it's at and always have been; those other "top" sites are just being built by people who get nothing but fleeting traffic if that from them.
As someone who enjoys ranting and can appreciate a good one; nice rant!
It's so easy to jump the shark and lose track of what works and what is "FUN"!! I still say that for networking and chilling SM 2.0 is great, but for driving targeted traffic and converting sales you need to be a part of SM 1.0.. That's where the money is..
Seems I lost sight of reality... maybe I wanted to believe.... still not sure. I am sure that it all wasn't for me. I like talking shop and I love search.
In talking with many peeps this week there certainly is a rift that many providers fail to see.... and that simply providing the platform is a means to an end.....
So here I sit... ready to move onto new days, experiences.....
And, even I don't have enough time for social media, and I don't work nor have kids, so don't blame ya for skipping it, too, just as long as you don't skip SR. I need the deep thoughts occasionally. LOL
Seriously, I've been watching the productivity at work decline steadily as SM gets more common.. And we are a jewelry store.. I can't imagine how much this has killed tech companies..
I do know of several forums that reward people for being there.. One gave out jewelry for 10k posts.. We try to give our mods at BaB an Amazon gift card for Christmas.. But one of my favorite hangouts has seen the owner lose all interest in anything other than Second Life.. Sort of sad sometimes..
I've put SM on the same level as EverCrack and the MMORPGs.. Lots of fun, but massive time sinks that suck the life out of you if you don't moderate your activity..
As for that 'other' forum, while the owner may have disappeared I happen to know the mods do make active users feel appreciated... which is better than throwing content/time into the void.
... but feel free to drop in any time and snicker... always welcome.
You're a good man Dave. Bill considers you a friend and so do I, even though we haven't spoken in a while. Partly because I was also confused by what I was seeing in the Sphinn-zone from people. Sorry for that.
Thanks for being you man.
So, I don't care much for the mud slinging and to those that play the game I say good for them... the drama isn't worth the stress.
I simply came to look at the larger picture and felt something was amiss. I enjoyed the people for the most part and that's still what I enjoy... people.
Nothing to worry about with me... I have no ill words for anyone. Since we love out quotes so much... I shall leave this;
Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha
Glad to see you step away and get back to work, lol.
I have been doing the same thing for some time now. It just takes to much to keep up on these things like Sphinn, twitter, SEO forums and blogs. My time and effort is better spent elsewhere. These social websites are
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